31 Oct
2023
31 Oct
'23
5:35 p.m.
Dear Mieke and all,
I agree with Jose that if artifact submission (and acceptance?) is mandatory for tool
papers, then this should be clearly communicated in the CfP. Also, if artifact submission
is mandatory for tool papers, then the requirements that "[tool papers] must contain
a link to a publicly downloadable MPEG-4 demo video of at most 10 minutes length"
should probably be omitted.
Whether or not artifact submission should be mandatory for tool papers at
paper-submission-time, I don't know. I recall arguments were given both for and
against this at the SC meeting last June, but I don't remember if/that consensus was
reached.
Best, Sung
On 31 Oct 2023, at 15:17, José Proença
<jose.proenca(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mieke et al.,
I agree with the core of the call. Good work by the PC chairs.
Personally, I tend to prefer the names “Long/Short/Tool/Survey paper” (without the
“regular”), but I’m fine with any of the proposed alternatives. I would also swap the
order of submission types, leaving “tool papers” for last, since they have the longest
description (and may be perceived as more orthogonal).
Other minor doubts/suggestions:
• There is not too much information about artefact submissions - only in the
important dates. Maybe it should be clarified:
• if they are mandatory for n papers;
• possible rules for submitting artefacts (e.g., in Zenodo or similar,
source-code optional, but it should be possible to replicate results);
• In case we plan to assign badges, as Emilio mentioned, these rules should be
mentioned (and maybe an evaluation committee).
• Maybe it is possible to improve the description of tool papers, avoiding so much
content inside parenthesis.
Best,
José
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On 31 Oct 2023 at 04:38 +0000, Emilio Tuosto <emilio.tuosto(a)gssi.it>it>, wrote:
dear Mieke
overall I think the call is fine.
Re the terminology I prefer "Long papers", "Short papers" and
"Tool
papers" (although obvious, I'd add 'original/unpublished/not submitted
elsewhere' to the description of the papers).
Re badges: is the concern related to the discussion we had in Lisbon
about tools vs artefacts?
Thanks & Bye
eM
On 30/10/2023 21:23, Simon Bliudze wrote:
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Dear Mieke, all,
W.r.t. Alberto's comment, I'd say the terms could be clearer if the
words were inverted to be "Long regular papers (7-15 pages)" and "Short
regular papers (4-6 pages)". In other words, "regular", here, stands in
opposition to "tool" and, as such, makes sense to me. However, I would
also be fine with "Long papers", "Short papers" and "Tool
papers".
This being said, the idea that one should not seek to fill the paper to
the maximum size unless that is necessary is valid independently of the
above and can be stated explicitly.
More important than that — in my view, at least — is the complementary
point: if the paper is (roughly) 16 pages and would loose significantly
in clarity when shortened to 15, I would recommend that the PC be
flexible and tolerate the overflow. This might save a sleepless night
for the authors and a headache for the reviewers. I do not remember
whether we have implemented that policy with Laura in 2020 but we have
definitely had it in place for FormaliSE 2021 and it went perfectly
fine. *We did actually announce the flexibility in the CfP and had
reminded the PC at the start of the reviewing process.*
Last but not least, unless I have miscounted the proposed PC has an
11/23 female-to-male ratio, which is kind of underwhelming. True, this
is very close to the ratio we had in 2020 (9/18) but last year it was
already 12/17, which is much better.
(For the SC, we are 9/17, which is better but only slightly ;-) )
All the best,
Simon
On 30/10/2023 15:40, Alberto Lluch Lafuente wrote:
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Thanks Mieke.
The draft CFP looks good to me.
I have a comment on regular papers: the used of term “long” sounds
strange to me. Most conferences just call them “regular papers”;
calling them “long” may be confusing. Additionally, I am not sure I
understand (or recall) the rational behind the long range of pages
(7-15 ). I guess it has something to do with “don’t fill 15 pages if
what you have to say can be done succinctly in less pages”. Should
this be explained in the call?
Something not related to this specific CfP: The steering committee has
26 members (almost the size of the PC).
Cheers,
Alberto
> On 30 Oct 2023, at 15.19, Mieke Massink <mieke.massink(a)isti.cnr.it>
wrote:
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> Dear Steering Committee members,
>
> Below please find a letter by the PC Chairs of Coordination 2024 in
which they present their proposal for the Programme Committee as part
of a draft CfP. The draft CfP including the PC list are attached to
this email.
>
> There is one point that should be made more clear, I think, which
concerns the procedure and aim of Artifact Badging. However, in order
not to delay the submission of the draft to you all I decided to
circulate the draft as it is now and ask you for possible further
suggestions to be communicated to the PC Chairs.
>
> It would be great if you could let me know your observations by
friday, November 3, at latest. As usual, I'll collect your suggestions
and pass them on to the PC Chairs in anonymised form.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Mieke
>
>
> ==== Letter by Francesco and Ilaria:
>
>> Dear Mieke,
>> we have prepared a first (partial) draft of the CfP, including
proposals for the AE chair and PC .
>>
>> More specifically, we have:
>> - left the Scope section unchanged;
>> - slightly revised/extended the list of Main Topics;
>> - indicated the invited speaker (we are happy to inform you that
Marieke Huisman accepted our invitation 😀 );
>> - slightly revised the paper categories (in particular, we propose
to merge short and long tool papers in a single category);
>> - revised the timeline (in particular, we propose to have two
submission windows for artefacts: the idea is that artefacts
associated to tool papers play a crucial role for that kind of papers,
hence we would like to require to submit such artefacts together with
the tool paper submission; instead, artefacts associated to accepted
papers of other categories would be submitted after the camera-ready,
so as not to rush the authors to submit the artefacts while they are
finalizing the paper);
>> - agreed with LMCS the organisation of a joint COORDINATION/FORTE
special issue;
>> - indicated Saverio Giallorenzo as Publicity Chair (we propose a
new Publicity Chair since Giorgio Audrito has been promoted as member
of the PC);
>> - slightly revised/extended the list of PC members;
>> - proposed Rumyana Neykova as Artefact Evaluation Committee chair.
>>
>> Please let us know if you think the draft is fine for the
evaluation by the SC.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Francesco & Ilaria
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